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elk1984 Senior Member  Joined: 11/07/2020 Location: United KingdomPosts: 227 |
This thread is taking on a distinctly Four Yorkshiremen theme...  |
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| JohnS Guru  Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3663 |
I resemble that remark :) John |
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| mclout999 Guru Joined: 05/07/2020 Location: United StatesPosts: 430 |
We truly should continue this and to the end!! I was on the committee that developed the concept of BINARY even before the mechanical weaving machines where a twinkle in some Georgian era geneses? Top that. (Remember only the most ludicrous is allowed) That skit is wonderful and had 2 Monty Python alums before they became gods. I had never seen it before, thanks. |
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thwill Guru Joined: 16/09/2019 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3850 |
Binary? You had zeroes and ones? You were lucky! We had to get by with only a paper bag of zeroes in a ditch. Tom Edited 2020-10-19 03:23 by thwill Game*Mite, CMM2 Welcome Tape, Creaky old text adventures |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3018 |
You had zeroes--introduced to Western mathematics through contact with the Arabs? When I were a lad, the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. Edited 2020-10-19 03:29 by lizby PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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LeoNicolas Guru Joined: 07/10/2020 Location: CanadaPosts: 446 |
Does this count as a programming language?  https://github.com/leonicolas/computer-8bits I've used logic gates  |
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RetroJoe Senior Member Joined: 06/08/2020 Location: CanadaPosts: 290 |
Leo, my vote is “YES”. And, after seeing this, may I suggest in your spare time you knock up a CMM2 emulator? :) Of course, when I was growing up, we didn’t have emulators ... Edited 2020-10-19 04:36 by RetroJoe Enjoy Every Sandwich / Joe P. |
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| LeoNicolas Guru Joined: 07/10/2020 Location: CanadaPosts: 446 |
Joe, Currently my CMM2 project is building an 3D API. https://www.thebackshed.com/forum/ViewTopic.php?FID=16&TID=12904 For the next version I'll add a clipping algorithm. This is the code that I implemented in JS. I'm converting it to the CMM2 basic. https://editor.p5js.org/leonicolas/full/gNuklMRjW |
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| JohnS Guru Joined: 18/11/2011 Location: United KingdomPosts: 3663 |
Aww, you're even older than I am :( Though I was on the committee that compromised and decided to count in 60s. That weed we smoked may have had an influence but no-one could remember. John |
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| Paul_L Guru Joined: 03/03/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 769 |
Hmmmmpf! Youngsters! When I was in college weed meant saw grass or crab grass! Paul in NY |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3018 |
IX minus VI minus III = WTF?! PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| Tinine Guru Joined: 30/03/2016 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1646 |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 3558 |
I was not as fortunate as you, my experience is only narrow ... Long ago: Algol60 on punch cards Terminal Basic on school system (remote PDP 11 ?) Apple II basic Acorn Atom basic Assembly 6502 (Acorn Atom, Apple II, C64, Oric Atmos) Assembly PIC16xx More recently: Picaxe Basic MMBasic Arduino (hacking around in C, not knowing what I am doing until it accidentally works) So I am stuck to basic more or less..... Which is not a big issue since my work is not in software, but electronics. Programming is hobby.... like flying model aircraft. That explains why my projects always end up with 90% of my effort in the hardware, supported by only few lines of code. Edited 2020-10-22 16:36 by Volhout PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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MustardMan Senior Member Joined: 30/08/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 175 |
I'm very surprised no-one has mentioned either Verilog or VHDL. |
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| lizby Guru Joined: 17/05/2016 Location: United StatesPosts: 3018 |
Never having heard of either, I wonder why? PicoMite, Armmite F4, SensorKits, MMBasic Hardware, Games, etc. on fruitoftheshed |
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| MustardMan Senior Member Joined: 30/08/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 175 |
Both are hardware description languages. Used primarily for writing programs for FPGAs and the like, but I believe they have a few very niche applications outside this area. From my understanding Verilog is similar to C, and VHDL is more similar to Pascal. If you want to implement some processor (or even create your own) on an FPGA, then your choice is one of those two languages - unless you *really* like schematics with lots of gates and LUTs! They are not quite as old as C/FORTRAN/COBOL and siblings, but quite old nonetheless, and to my knowledge they have no alternatives and are still in regular use. |
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| Volhout Guru Joined: 05/03/2018 Location: NetherlandsPosts: 3558 |
Used CUPL once. I guess that is a predecessor to VHDL, only for small CPLD's. Needed to real time analyze I2C, and the PIC16 at that time wasn't fast enough. I think it all fit in a 22V10 or so. PicomiteVGA PETSCII ROBOTS |
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| MustardMan Senior Member Joined: 30/08/2019 Location: AustraliaPosts: 175 |
Nice! These days low-pin-count CPLDs/FPGAs just don't exist. It's either a million pins, or no chip at all. Sometimes you just want a little bit more glue logic than a reasonable number of 74s can offer without having to design in something with so many solder balls you could use it as a brillo pad. Yes, some MPUs have a limited number of LUTs for esoteric logic functions, but for any more than two gates you are once again looking at big chips with lots of legs. Sigh. |
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lew247 Guru Joined: 23/12/2015 Location: United KingdomPosts: 1676 |
Can anyone here convert a program from MM basic to C, C++ or Python? |
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| matherp Guru Joined: 11/12/2012 Location: United KingdomPosts: 8592 |
The question doesn't mean anything. Simple language conversion is easy, but what is the source platform, what is the target, what peripherals are involved? Any use of special in-built functions like display or ethernet? These are the things that could make it either easy or next to impossible |
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